Blizzard and guilds

As requested – and, to be honest, intended anyway – here some thoughts on the announced premium (i.e. pay-for) feature to, in some future, be able to invite people to groups who are on a different server, but on your RealID friends list.

Before I begin, let us get something out of the way. Something that needs to be considered in all musings about WoW: Blizzard is not stupid. This is very important. Blizzard didn’t get to where they are due to blind luck or by comically stumbling around. Of course they do make mistakes on the small scale – like in balancing, tuning, or with particular design decisions – of course some of their experiments do not work out as expected or intended, but on the large, strategic scale, Blizzard achieved success exactly because they played the market exactly right, pushed the right buttons and pulled the right levers. If an argument, at any point, hinges on the assumption of Blizzard being stupid, the argument is flawed. Just because they do something you don’t like or I don’t like, doesn’t mean they’re wrong, it means they deliberately and consciously don’t care about you and/or me, they simply cater to others. Keep that in mind. Now, let us begin.

What happens when you kill a raid boss? I mean, what does really, tangibly happen, what is the change that measurably takes place? I tell you what: in some database, a variable flips from 0 to 1. Or increments by 1. Or something pretty closely along those lines. This is what actually happens. Was it worth it? But, wait, no, you overcame a challenge, you mastered a difficult task – that’s what counts! Really? Well, single-player games are capable of offering a much better tuned, much more thrilling, much more involving level of challenge. Why, then, do we (if you’re reading this, you’re likely an MMO-gamer, like myself) rarely derive the same (or even any) sense of satisfaction from beating them as we derive from beating a raid boss? Because this boss kill contains so much more. It contains the unlikely stories how you crossed paths with the people around you, and sometimes the equally unlikely stories of how you all developed into the players you are now. It contains that time you had to deal with that huge drama that nearly tore it all apart, but those who remained, came out of it as a stronger unit. It contains that time when you were short a permanent tank, or running low on healers and people volunteered to respec. It contains those times when you had to adapt to having a rather exotic raid composition and managed to play to your strengths rather than succumb to your weaknesses. It contains that time when you were way past raid end time, but kept going and got the kill you were so desperately after. It is this “social context” that gives the actually measurable impact of an entry in a database changing value .. well .. context. A bold statement to make, maybe, but truth is, you can make that statement because it’s the only difference. Everything else is just electrons heading from A to B.

Now, I am a sucker for this whole deal of team success, prevailing together, figuring it out, winning as a team, Semper Fidelis. I don’t know why, but this whole coming together and walking the path really makes me feel good inside. Which is why online games and I are such a good (and dangerous) combination, I guess. Being the team-spirit-junkie that I am, I find it easy to make a concession that is, literally, unfathomable for the vast majority of people: I’d rather miss out on something now and do it with teammates later, even if it means much later. Understand, this is not about “demonising strangers” – strangers won’t ever become your friends if you don’t meet them first. It’s about doing it with strangers being ultimately meaningless. “Why don’t you pug it,” is a question I’ve heard a hundred times in the last several years. “What do you have to lose?” Err, nothing. The point is, I don’t have anything to win either. I don’t care about flipping it from 0 to 1, it’s meaningless to me. I don’t want to do a dungeon to “have it done”, I want to do a dungeon to enjoy doing it. I want the emotional context. I want the jokes (although not too many please, let’s focus when it’s needed! … I know, I’m an ass, yes). I want the memories of “back in January, I used to run lots and lots of dungeons with Alq, Dy, Daine and Ron, and we really grew together as a unit, knowing each other inside out”, rather than “and then I hit the DF to make the raid requirements”. I want to save each other’s asses in the most unexpected ways, and I want to let each other die in the most hilarious ways. I want to have a story to tell. It’s deeply important to me, it’s what I play for.

RIFT has an interesting example for the above with the .. err .. rifts. You run into one, you can just click a button at the top of your screen to join up with others who are nearby, you fight it, you close it. It’s good, emergent, quick, no-strings-attached fun. We do it for the reward and because fighting monsters is fun, and those are some pretty cool monsters to fight. Really, rifts are just FUN, there is a simple structure, there is a sense of accomplishment, cool effects and even some (not entirely fake) sense of impact. I don’t even consider it negative that there’s usually not much (mostly none at all) talking in the process. It actually makes perfect sense. You’re an Ascended, I’m an Ascended, we see planar invaders, we fight planar invaders, the “grouping up” is not some emotionally charged event, it’s only there so we can see each other’s names, roles, positions and health bars. Immersing into the simulation aspect, if it was “real”, we wouldn’t stop and converse about the necessity to rid the land of the evil that besmirches it either. We’d cut the crap and get on with killing it. We’re only random people who met based on the shared desire to slay monsters. So, yeah, it’s good fun (and I do make a point of thanking the others or congratulating on our victory in other ways). But it also feels relatively meaningless, because we are, after all, only random people who met based solely on the shared desire to slay monsters. It becomes meaningful when you are working in a specific group. Together with your friend and regular adventuring partner (I can’t even begin to describe just how much RIFT rewards pair-levelling), when you can really see your teamwork develop, reacting to each other, supporting each other. Or even with another person you just randomly met, but you are actually a bit too weak for what you’re supposed to fight, so you really try and work to your strengths and bite through it. Meaning is acquired through people. Special meaning is acquired through special people.

The following is going to be a somewhat bold statement: people like me are the backbone of guilds. People who prioritise “getting it done together” higher than “getting it done myself”. People who are willing to sacrificein a game. We’re not “the only thing that makes guilds work”, far from it, but still, we’re kind of important, regardless of whether we’re in some official role or simply there, contributing energy and investment.

Guilds, on the other hand, or clans or kinships or whatever they’re called in different communities, are the backbone of online gaming. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean “everyone needs to be in a guild”, or “everyone needs to be a raider/endgamer”. There is a lot that can be enjoyed solo, or mostly solo, and that’s good and important. What I mean is that long term commitment to a game (and thus long term revenue for the provider) tends to correlate with guild membership and participation in multiplayer activities. Not all that surprising, seeing as these are multiplayer online games, and the presence of other people is what separates them from single-player games.

Guilds are the gate keepers to a significant part of the content and experience (not XP) online games can offer. Blizzard knows this. Last year, or maybe the year before – those rants are impossible to date – I read someone on some forum go for the usual “do what I want or be doomed” angle, saying that if Blizzard doesn’t change the game the way he wants it to be (can’t even remember which way exactly that was), over time it will piss off all the guild and raid leaders, those will leave and then the game will die. Hyperbole, of course, but not without a grain of truth. Blizzard is wary of guilds, because while World of Warcraft belongs to Blizzard, the guilds, as a hypothetical whole, have an uncomfortable amount of control over it. And so, bit by bit, Blizzard started its quest to weaken the position of guilds and repossess that control.

Please pause and re-read the second paragraph of this post if necessary. No, Blizzard is not stupid, nor evil. They are strategically savvy and they don’t like the idea of another institution, or structure, having that much control over what is theirs. People quitting because their guilds fell apart and there was nowhere else to go; people quitting because their guilds got stuck and they could not get into a better one; people quitting because their friends quit and they suddenly felt alone in Azeroth – it’s not something that is or was happening “left and right”, but it was happening, and it was not to Blizzard’s liking.

The first monumental battle Blizzard fought – and won – against the influence of guilds was the introduction of the Dungeon Finder and its subsequent ascension to the widely accepted standard of group play. It fundamentally changed the way we approach group content. Think back. Does the line “find a decent guild” seem familiar as an advice to someone complaining about having difficulties assembling dungeon groups? Obsolete. Even more importantly, simply jumping into the DF queue became the more efficient mode of action even compared to asking guild mates. Not necessarily “better” or even “preferred”, but for many, more efficient. Asking means waiting for answers. Asking means potentially waiting for someone who says they’ll be available in half an hour. Asking means not being independent and self-sufficient (curious, you’d think the very point of a multiplayer game is not doing everything on your own). You’d get guild mates pugging at the same time instead of queueing together. If you read a lot of blogs, you’ll often find the episode of “and then I took care of my gear by running many randoms”, rather than “and then we as a guild helped each other gear up”. Curiously, this process of helping each other gear up is among my dearest and most pleasant memories – of early Mines of Moria, of early Cataclysm – it was team progress, and team progress was great.

The downside, of course, was that the randomly assembled groups would frequently underperform, not because they were filled with bad players – we all live in the Gaussian curve – but because all these people didn’t really care, because the runs, see above, were meaningless to them, except for the end reward. At least we all got an entertaining amount of rage-blogging out of it.

Why is there no Raid Finder then, if it’s so important to Blizzard, you ask? At this point in time, I am convinced that the only reason is that they truly can’t figure out how to implement one – how to handle composition, lockouts and the compared to 5-mans higher time requirement. Once again, Blizzard is not stupid and they don’t want to come out with a tool that won’t work satisfactorily.

So, indignantly ask efficiency fans, would I rather go back to cumbersome and time consuming group assembly? What, I would like to ask back, is more important: running a dungeon, or enjoying a dungeon? Again, I don’t see an inherent value in simply running a dungeon – I want to do it for the pleasure of doing it, not to get it done. So, yes, I’d rather invest extra time in improving the quality of my experience, rather than into complaining about it not meeting my desires. Of course, we got an external value in place – badge reward. Clever, eh?

The second great and genius move by Blizzard was the introduction of guild-bonuses and guild-levelling. Wait a second. Were those not supposed to strengthen guilds? And now I’m claiming they were intended for the exact opposite? Guild-levelling and guild-bonuses changed the very notion of what a guild is. The exceptional position of guilds used to be that they were social constructs. They were so strong exactly because they existed outside the system, outside the game mechanics. Inside the Matrix, they were everyone, and no one. Ahem. Becoming part of a guild was a decision based on what the people in that guild would provide you with (access to content and friendship both being viable criteria). Admitting someone to your guild was a decision based on what that person would provide you with. Guilds were about people. Now guilds are about points and percentages. Perks and privileges. By moving guilds into the realm of game mechanics, Blizzard dispelled the mysticism surrounding them. Your guild became a game element, like your buffs, like your mount, your talents. I don’t even want to get at pushing non-team-oriented players into guilds or encouraging guilds to accept everything with a pulse. Just think of the word “guild” now. Was the feeling it evoked the same as the feeling the same word was connected to a year ago? It’s a different thing now.

RealID .. well, RealID doesn’t need much commentary. However, it offers an opportunity to link to maybe one of the best posts ever written about WoW. Reading highly recommended. RealID is the bold first step from “heroes venturing to vanquish evil” to “people hanging around in a lounge and playing games”. Like, you know, Facebook gaming. Yes, yes, I know. I won’t go there. Not now, at least. Just keep this in mind: the market for Facebook games is much larger than for the “real games” we enjoy (again, I’m counting on you being a certain type of person, based on the observation that you’re reading this). Blizzard wants that bigger market. If you believe anything else, you’re being naive.

The recently introduced Looking for Guild tool is another interesting actor here. Like Adam, I can’t help but wonder how little someone needs to care about what guild they’ll end up in to use it for their search. And, also like him, I also can’t help but wonder whether the principle of the path of the least resistance will, over time, make this into the default method for most people regardless, similar to how the Dungeon Finder – in a shorter period, due to much more immediate benefits – became the default method of group forming and obsoleted all other methods for most people.

Roughly 2.5k words in, we’re now getting to the promised topic. What about the announced premium feature? First, the indisputably good: it does offer a fix for the much-lamented (at least by me) problem of meeting someone nice on a random-dungeon run and having to leave with the near-certain assumption of never seeing them again. Of course, the peculiarities of the RealID system render this application worthless quite quickly – there is a certain cleft between “nice person, during the last 30 minutes they appeared polite and competent, would be happy to group with them again” and “here’s my real name and email address”. It’s not, you know, quite the same.

The other positive: you can now finally group with your dear friend who is stuck on a different server! Err, wait a second. No one’s stuck anywhere these days. If you are such good friends, why are you not on the same server to begin with? Maybe because your gaming habits do not match up quite as well as your personality traits? And, you know, maybe running a dungeon is not necessarily the best way for friends to “catch up”. Especially if you are doing it with 3 other people, whose intentions are statistically most likely “get through here as quickly as possible”. Meaningless dungeon run is still meaningless.

What it does though is to further dislodge you from the “grasp” of your guild, your server or any other virtual-physical place of origin. It is a logical and sensible addition to RealID to help its goal: change your mindset from that of a player of an adventure game to that of a user of a social network with 3D graphics and instanced gaming. The good news is that this feature puts us only one step short of having at least one way to form cross-server raids. The downside: Bastion of Twilight or a bit of Starcraft 2 – at which point will you stop caring? At which point does the world turn into a lounge?

So, did I just bore you with a long winded conspiracy theory? Not really. The difference between what I wrote and what you usually find tinfoil-hat-inducing is that my reasoning is not based on the assumption that Blizzard is simply out to troll you. What I described matches observation and makes assumptions based on Blizzard being a strategically wise player (cf. paragraph two again, if necessary). Silly conspiracy theories claim that for some reason Blizzard collectively wants paladins to be bad. My theory claims that Blizzard wants to maximise their profit and is taking appropriate steps. The game environment they envision does not appeal to me – doesn’t mean they’re wrong, it means I’m no longer their target audience.

Oh, and about it being a feature that needs to be paid for? Hey, why not. Lots of people have claimed they’d be willing to pay extra for the privilege of being surrounded by a better community or a better Dungeon Finder pool. Will they put their money where their mouth used to be? Or will they think of it as ineffective, e.g. due to the aforementioned caveats? In either case, another interesting field-study for Blizzard regarding how much people are willing to pay extra.

I’m sorry the climax I built up towards got a bit short, but I hope you found the intended meaning in the context of the run up to it. Have a nice weekend!

11 thoughts on “Blizzard and guilds

  1. Kring

    Very interesting post.

    First of all, Blizzard certainly wasn’t stupid. But today we have Blizzard/Activision and they might have different priorities. We can’t know if they are stupid or not. It’s not like there aren’t stupid managers which killed successful companies after a merger. I’m not saying they are stupid. All I say is that their past success can’t speak for the new company. (Yes, they claim to be independent but that can only go so far.)

    But I think I understand now why i don’t like those stupid games in hotels during vacation. They are meaningless because the other people are meaningless to me. It’s like an LFD group which disbandens after the vacation. 🙂

    > People quitting because their guilds fell apart and
    > there was nowhere else to go

    My 25 man WotLK raid die because of the lockout merge. Parts of the raid preferred their 10 man, which left us with not enough player. I never tried to find a new raid as I didn’t intend to switch guild after 6 years. That was an important part of why I finally unsubscribed. Without an active raid there’s nothing lost by not p(l)aying for some time.

    I wonder if I’m alone with that of if the lockout merge didn’t really work out as they hoped it would. 🙂

    > there is a certain cleft between ‘nice person,
    > during the last 30 minutes they appeared polite
    > and competent, would be happy to group with
    > them again’ and ‘here’s my real name and email
    > address’. It’s not, you know, quite the same.

    Exactly. Pre-LFD I did put people on my friend list and when I created a 5 man group I’ve whispered them. Some of them became ingame friends after a few dungeons.

    That doesn’t work with RealID. At least not for me. I wouldn’t ask anyone to add me after a single dungeon run and give them my e-mail address. Not because of privacy concerns, but because I would consider it rude if someone would do that to me.

    > At which point does the world turn into a lounge?

    As soon as you have instant teleportation to dungeons. 🙂

    > So, did I just bore you with a long winded conspiracy theory?

    I can never be bored by a good conspiracy theory. 🙂

    But I’d like to ask you some questions:

    – Why do we have guilds as in-game constructs but not guilds which would be available for all games. Steam does have such groups.
    – Then, why do we have RealID which links two player by their real life name but we don’t we have cross server in-game friends?
    – Why don’t we have “account friends” like Guild Wars has. You befriend a char and would see all chars of that other account on all its realms but not the real life name of the player.

    You wrote that Blizzard tried to weaken guilds. I can see that in other places, too.

    Their idea of guild equals raid is incredible stupid… hold on… is completely not what I want. It doesn’t make sense from a player point of view because it weakens guilds. It’s a clear message: If you don’t like your raid, switch your guild. Guilds are disposable. For me my guild was always more important then my raid but we didn’t raid as a guild. We all raided in different raids. We can’t be the only one as on our server it was the norm to have raids filled with players from many guilds.

    Plus they don’t export a guild into the Again the clear message that the guild is not important because it’s only a in-WoW construct.

    So we have the very weakend concept of guilds. And on the other extreme we have RealID which nearly links your soul with the soul of a friend. This is exported into the and works cross-realm… as long as you live on the same continent (way to go, Blizzard, way to go).

    Why is there nothing in between?

    Since the introduction of the LFD I haven’t added a single person to my friend list because all people I’ve considered worthy to be added were on different servers. Yet I’ve exchanged RealID friendship with a lot of WoW-friends I knew from the pre-LFD time.

    It looks like something is missing. The element required to hold on a stranger long enough to feel comfortable to exchange RealID friendship. Is that an oversight on Blizzards sight? Or part of their plan for world domination?

    1. Rem Post author

      I don’t think Activision is stupid either. I’m not necessarily an expert, nor do I have much information available to make a judgement, but going by the rule of thumb, entities that earn market standing like that usually aren’t stupid. And Blizzard never was a non-profit dreamy-eyed bunch of idealists anyway – they were always in the business to make those monies.

      However, what I do think is that for the joint Blizzard/Activision the focus shifted from turning a profit by making the most awesome games they can to turning an even greater profit by playing the market instead. Given I kind of still prefer to play awesome games, I’m not really on board with that, but the strategy itself is far from stupid. What they actually have in mind might even stretch further and involve strategic moves regarding their codename-Titan project, but we won’t know until we’re hit with it.

      My thoughts on the 10/25 equalisation are somewhat fuzzy, I might try to express them in a separate post.

      – Why do we have guilds as in-game constructs but not guilds which would be available for all games. Steam does have such groups.

      My guess would be: because isn’t ready yet. If I’m not mistaken, it basically contains just WoW and SC2 at this point, which are, for one, only two games and, for another, two games with entirely different concepts of what constitutes a “team”. Introducing guilds now could feel artificial, but could become more sensible after Diablo3 joins the ranks. The less entities you have, the more differences are perceived as contradictions, the more entities you have, the better you can sell a “generic approach”.

      When guilds come, I’d expect them to be more like Facebook groups, i.e. something with a lower inherent commitment. Ultimately, that’s what most people seem to want: not an honest emotional investment, but tools for group play. For me, that’s a downgrade in quality, for those who like to point out how their “playtime is valuable” to them it’s probably an upgrade.

      – Then, why do we have RealID which links two player by their real life name but we don’t we have cross server in-game friends?
      – Why don’t we have “account friends” like Guild Wars has. You befriend a char and would see all chars of that other account on all its realms but not the real life name of the player.

      Because they want us to use RealID for that 🙂

      Re: guild equals raid or not

      In LotRO, I was part of a raid alliance. Nevertheless, I considered that my team (in the sense of being part of, not in the sense of ownership), the very specific group of people I embark on raid adventures with. When I was offered by an acquaintance to join the raid alliance he was part of on a run for a boss our alliance had yet to kill, I said thanks, but no thanks, I’d rather do this with my mates. I wasn’t even tempted all that much, nor was I “afraid of the consequences”. It just wouldn’t have meant as much to me.

      In WoW, I strongly rooted for us taking the guild equals raid route, due to easier admin and identity building. But, I agree, not because it should be some divine law. And, also agreed, the introduction of the guild mechanics and guild achievements destroyed most raid alliances overnight. The blogroll-linked Panzercow (Linedan) for example had a sad story to tell on that a few months ago, and I’m sure he was one of many.

      It looks like something is missing. The element required to hold on a stranger long enough to feel comfortable to exchange RealID friendship. Is that an oversight on Blizzards sight? Or part of their plan for world domination?

      I think, though I may be wrong (but there are several indications for it, prominently brought to light last summer), that they saw Facebook, looked at Facebook, looked at Facebook some more, stared at Facebook, have seen how people willingly share their names and other personal information while willingly and actively trying to keep everyone else informed about every little shit they do, think, see, experience or possess and thought something along the lines of “if we can get that many people to pay 15 bucks a month, we’ll be able to buy the moon”.

      The actual business plan may be a lot more elaborate (self-reminder: not stupid), but I think they’re trying to somehow merge the “people are willing to pay for WoW” with “people are willing to do literally everything for the illusion of sociality on Facebook” and to somehow cash in on it big, big time. What I think they may be forgetting is .. well .. that thing in the Shades of Grey post I linked. We MMO gamers are in it for the fantasy (not to be confused with “anonymity”). For the internet dragons. That’s why we pay you money. And the Facebook crowd won’t pay you a penny, they’re getting what they want for free already.

  2. Max

    Great post. I am thinking hard about how to make nourish and develop communities in game .And my conclusions in general that games could be improved if they provide more social network tools (inside the game not some facebook connector) . It should provide better matchmaking tools and make it easier for people to find and form like minded communities.

    Guild leveling is not the feature needed

    1. Rem Post author

      Thank you.

      You know, this may sound old fashioned and oh-my-god-not-EQ-please-not-EQ, but I honestly think the best way to get people to play together is to make it desirable – bordering on necessary – to cooperate. But, and here’s where I entirely agree with you, it should be supported by powerful tools that make it easy and pleasant to get in touch and to stay in touch.

  3. Nils

    Blizzard is not stupid, they act like a big company. Now, that’s not the exact opposite! Blizzard probably was one of the first gaming companies to use metrics extensively. They don’t ask what players want, but have a look into the statistics, instead. Because statistics don’t lie.
    Unfortunately, statistics can lead to wrong conclusions. Which is exactly what happens all the time at Blizzard.

    Blizzard tries to find a global maximum of revenue on the many-dimensional space of successful game design. What Blizzard mostly finds are local short-term maxima. Which is why WoW’s focus changes so much with every expansion. It is the result of an often eratic management process that is not lead by vision, but by goals.

    Listen to this (at times boring) speech by John Kay, if you want to know why the direct way is often not appropiate to find a stable global maxima.

    1. Rem Post author

      The Greedy-algorithm, well remembered from the AI lectures on search algorithms 🙂

      Yes, you’re right (uh, not too surprising I’d agree with you on it, considering I keep quoting and linking to you on that matter!), there is strong evidence that in their search for localised improvements the WoW development tends to lose sight of the greater picture.

  4. Telwyn

    Interesting post indeed. My experience of the more recent changes in WoW are similar. I play for the shared experience, for the fun of playing a game with other friends / guildmates. So I am 100% on the same page with not wanting to random PUG dungeons for tokens or RNG loot. I almost exclusively only play MMOs with guild groups, because I know I can play at my own pace and have a laugh while doing the content.

    I think the guild leveling system and the dungeon finder are pretty disastrous for little ‘friends and family’ type guilds. I would also agree with Kring’s point that Activision are probably the driving force behind some of this more commercial thinking, behind the ‘facebook approach’ to MMO design.

    1. Rem Post author

      I like reading about your approach to gaming. It’s a welcome change from the currently dominant trends!

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  6. Rem Post author

    Apologies for the huge delays in my response time to comments. My “community activity” tends to come in bursts, and comments tend to make me think!

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